February 2022 · ORIGINAL INSTRUCTIONAL EXAMPLE

Performance Test: In re Price
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February 2022 California Bar Examination · An original objective memorandum on prosecutorial ethics using the supplied file and library.

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Office of the District Attorney County of Dixon 600 Gordon Avenue Mill Brook, Columbia MEMORANDUM TO: Applicant FROM: Debra Uliana, Chief Deputy District Attorney DATE: February 22, 2022 RE: In re Price Last December, the Superior Court dismissed an indictment charging Darryl Howe with murder. It concluded that Deputy District Attorney Mark Price committed prosecutorial misconduct. It found that Price’s dealings with Howe on October 3 and November 18, 2021, without the consent of Howe’s counsel, violated Howe’s privilege against compelled self-incrimination and his right to the assistance of counsel under the Fifth and Sixth Amendments. In dismissing the indictment, the court stated that it had initially considered, but ultimately decided against, referring the matter to the State Bar to investigate whether, in his dealings with Howe on those dates, Price violated Columbia Rule of Professional Conduct 4.2. Rule 4.2, which is commonly referred to as the “no- contact rule,” prohibits a lawyer from communicating with a person known to be represented by another lawyer without the other lawyer’s consent. District Attorney Hector Santiago has asked me to draft a proposed policy to assist deputy district attorneys in avoiding violation of Rule 4.2. As a first step, I have interviewed Price and have also interviewed Price’s supervisor, Senior Deputy District Attorney Laila Sayed.

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Before I begin drafting a proposed policy, I want to know whether, in fact, Price violated Rule 4.2 in his dealings with Howe on October 3 and November 18. To that end, please prepare a memorandum addressing whether Price violated Rule 4.2 in his dealings with Howe on each date, including whether he could rely on Columbia Rule of Professional Conduct 5.2. Rule 5.2 provides that a lawyer does not violate any rule of professional conduct if the lawyer acts in accordance with a supervisor’s reasonable resolution of an arguable question of professional duty. Do not include1 a separate statement of facts in your memorandum, but be sure to use the facts in your analysis.

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TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW OF MARK PRICE February 15, 2022 DEBRA ULIANA: Mark, thanks for sitting for an interview about the Howe case. MARK PRICE: Of course, Debra. We wouldn’t have to be going through this exercise if I hadn’t botched the case. ULIANA: Unfortunately, you’re not the first deputy to get an indictment dismissed. I’m meeting with you because, in dismissing the indictment, Judge Gorence said she had initially considered referring the matter to the State Bar to investigate whether you violated Rule 4.2, but ultimately decided not to because this was your “first offense” in a long career. I’m meeting with you as a first step in drafting a proposed policy to assist deputy district attorneys in avoiding violation of Rule 4.2. PRICE: I understand. I’m sorry I’ve put you and the office in this position. ULIANA: That’s okay. Let’s get on with it. I see you’ve brought the chronology of events I asked you to prepare. Why don’t you summarize what happened? I’ll ask questions as I need to. PRICE: Fine. Here we go. As you know, on August 22, 2021, Billy Wilson was shot and killed in an apartment house here in Mill Brook. Within hours, Darryl Howe was arrested for Wilson’s murder. Howe admitted being at the scene of the murder, but claimed he didn’t do it. On August 24, Howe was arraigned in the Superior Court before Judge Gorence. I appeared for the State; Deputy Public Defender James Gardner was appointed to

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represent Howe; and Howe was ordered held without bond until a preliminary hearing could be held. On September 6, I moved Judge Gorence to release Howe on his own recognizance pending further investigation of the case. Prior to Howe’s release, I told Deputy Public Defender Gardner that I would like to speak with Howe about the case. He said he would consent only if I was willing to offer Howe complete immunity1, which of course I was not. On September 26, Howe called the office of Mill Brook Police Detective Donna Daichi from his home and left a voicemail message saying he wanted to talk to her about the Wilson murder. Detective Daichi immediately told me about the message. I had had no personal experience with a defendant who contacted the police to talk about his own case. I consulted with Senior Deputy District Attorney Laila Sayed, who as you know is my supervisor as the Chief of the Felony Section. She advised me that any statements Howe might volunteer would likely be admissible. She also advised me to instruct Detective Daichi that, if Howe were to call her, she should listen but not ask any questions, and then report what he said to me. I gave those instructions to Detective Daichi. ULIANA: Mark, did you have any discussion with Laila about Rule 4.2? PRICE: Yes. I don’t remember whether I raised the issue or whether Laila did. But I’m sure she told me Rule 4.2 permitted prosecutors to communicate with defendants known to be represented by counsel without counsel’s consent, so long as they are conducting an investigation. ULIANA: Okay. Did Howe call Detective Daichi after September 26?

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PRICE: Yes, he called her from his home on October 3. He made several statements to her about the Wilson murder. As I had instructed her, she listened but did not ask any questions, and reported to me what he said. ULIANA: And then? PRICE: And then, on October 5, Judge Gorence conducted a preliminary hearing, found probable cause to charge Howe with the Wilson murder, and remanded him to custody and ordered him held without bond. At the preliminary hearing, Deputy Public Defender Gardner learned of the events of October 3 and asked Judge Gorence to order Detective Daichi not to speak with Howe. Judge Gorence declined to do so, but observed that Gardner would undoubtedly instruct Howe that such dealings were not in his best interest. On October 19, the grand jury handed up the indictment charging Howe with the Wilson murder. Then, about a month later, on November 18, while Detective Daichi was in my office working with me on the Wilson murder case, I received a collect call from Howe from the jail on my private line. I accepted the call. I hadn’t given Howe my number; he must have gotten it from Daichi. At my request, Daichi listened in on an extension. Although I advised Howe that he did not have to speak with me and that Deputy Public Defender Gardner would not be happy if he did, he nevertheless proceeded to talk about the Wilson murder for about 20 minutes while Daichi and I listened and took notes. ULIANA: Any further discussion with Laila about Rule 4.2 around November 18? PRICE: Probably the same as before, that Rule 4.2 permitted prosecutors conducting an investigation to communicate with defendants known to be represented by counsel without counsel’s consent.

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ULIANA: And then? PRICE: Finally, as you know, on December 8, Judge Gorence held a hearing at the request of Deputy Public Defender Gardner. By this time, Gardner had learned of the events of November 18. Gardner moved to dismiss the indictment for what he claimed was prosecutorial misconduct. Unfortunately, Judge Gorence granted the motion. And the rest is history. ULIANA: Yes, Mark. Sad to say, it is. You’ve given me a good introduction. If I need to follow up, I’ll let you know. PRICE: Fine. Again, I’m sorry about all of this. ULIANA: I understand. We’ve all got to be more careful in the future.

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TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW OF LAILA SAYED February 18, 2022 DEBRA ULIANA: Laila, thanks for coming for an interview about the Howe case. LAILA SAYED: No problem. ULIANA: You’ve had a chance to review any materials you might believe are relevant? SAYED: Yes, but I must add that there were few such materials. In the Felony Section, we don’t have much time to commit anything to paper. ULIANA: I understand. Let me cut to the chase and ask about your discussions with Mark Price about the Howe case. SAYED: Ready when you are. ULIANA: Do you recall Mark consulting you, on September 26 of last year, after Howe had contacted Mill Brook Police Detective Donna Daichi and had made statements to her about the Wilson murder? SAYED: Yes. Although I can’t swear that we spoke on September 26, I remember we spoke about Howe’s statements to Detective Daichi. ULIANA: Do you recall Mark telling you something to the effect that he had had no personal experience with a defendant who contacted the police to discuss his own case? SAYED: Yes.

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ULIANA: Do you recall speaking with Mark about the admissibility of any statements Howe might make to Detective Daichi? SAYED: Yes. I probably told him that any statements Howe might volunteer would likely be admissible1. ULIANA: Do you recall speaking with Mark about Detective Daichi’s interactions with Howe? SAYED: Yes. I probably told Mark to tell Detective Daichi to listen to Howe if he contacted her again, but not to ask him any questions, and to report to Mark what Howe said. ULIANA: Why? SAYED: To make sure any statements would be admissible. ULIANA: Do you recall speaking with Mark about Rule 4.2, the no-contact rule? SAYED: No. ULIANA: You don’t recall telling him that the no-contact rule or Rule 4.2 permitted prosecutors to communicate with defendants known to be represented by counsel without counsel’s consent, so long as they are conducting an investigation? SAYED: No. ULIANA: Are you sure? SAYED: Yes, I’m sure.

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ULIANA: Why? SAYED: Debra, you know that we have to refer any non-trivial question about professional conduct to Senior Deputy District Attorney Lamar Lewis, the Compliance Officer. And dealing with a defendant who is known to be represented by counsel without counsel’s consent is certainly a non-trivial question. Had Mark raised any question about the no-contact rule with me, I would have referred it to Lamar. I didn’t refer it to Lamar. That means that Mark didn’t raise it with me. ULIANA: Let’s proceed to November 18. Do you recall Mark consulting you around that date, for a second time, about Howe and his statements to Mark as well as Detective Daichi? SAYED: No. After speaking with Mark in September about Howe and his statements to Detective Daichi, I did not speak with him about the matter again, at least not before Judge Gorence dismissed the indictment. After Judge Gorence dismissed the indictment, as I believe you know, I had a long and unpleasant “discussion” with Mark about the matter. ULIANA: Yes, I know about the “discussion.” But you’re sure you don’t recall a second consultation on or around November 18? SAYED: I’m sure. In my 20 years in the office, I’ve never heard of a defendant contacting a deputy district attorney. Had Mark told me that Howe had contacted him, I would have immediately referred the matter to Lamar Lewis. And I would certainly have remembered it. ULIANA: Well, Laila, you’ve answered the questions I have now. If more occur to me, I’ll let you know. Thanks. SAYED: You’re welcome.

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SELECTED COLUMBIA RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT Rule 4.2. Communication with a Represented Person (a) In representing a client, a lawyer shall not communicate directly or indirectly about the subject of the representation with a person the lawyer knows to be represented by another lawyer in the matter, unless the lawyer has the consent of the other lawyer. . . . . . (c) This rule shall not prohibit: (1) communications with a public official, board, committee, or body; or (2) communications otherwise authorized by law or a court order. . . . . . Comment [1] This rule applies even though the represented person initiates or consents to the communication. . . . . . . . . [2] The prohibition against communicating “indirectly” with a person represented by counsel in paragraph (a) is intended to address situations where a lawyer seeks to communicate with a represented person through an intermediary such as an agent, investigator or the lawyer’s client. . . . . . [3] Paragraph (c)(2) recognizes that statutory schemes, case law, and court orders may authorize communications between a lawyer and a person that would otherwise be subject to this rule. The law recognizes that

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prosecutors and other government lawyers are authorized to contact represented persons, either directly or through investigative agents and informants, in the context of investigative activities, as limited by relevant federal and state constitutions, statutes, rules, and case law. The rule is not intended to preclude communications with represented persons in the course of such legitimate investigative activities as authorized by law. . . . . . * * * * * Rule 5.2. Responsibilities of a Subordinate Lawyer (a) A lawyer shall comply with these rules notwithstanding that the lawyer acts at the direction of another lawyer or other person. (b) A subordinate lawyer does not violate these rules if that lawyer acts in accordance with a supervisory lawyer’s reasonable resolution of an arguable question1 of professional duty. Comment When lawyers in a supervisor-subordinate relationship encounter a matter involving professional judgment as to the lawyers’ responsibilities under these rules and the question can reasonably be answered only one way, the duty of both lawyers is clear and they are equally responsible for fulfilling it. Accordingly, the subordinate lawyer must comply with his or her obligations under paragraph (a). If the question reasonably can be answered more than one way, the supervisory lawyer may assume responsibility for determining which of the reasonable alternatives to select, and the subordinate may be guided accordingly. . . .

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State v. Nelson Columbia Supreme Court (2015) We granted review in this case to address the question whether a prosecutor violates Rule 4.2 of the Columbia Rules of Professional Conduct, which is commonly referred to as the no-contact rule, by communicating, post- indictment, with a defendant known to be represented by counsel, without counsel’s consent. The answer, as will appear, is yes. FACTUAL BACKGROUND AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY James Nelson and Philip Brooks were indicted for conspiracy to distribute cocaine in the Superior Court of the County of Pleasanton. Nelson retained attorney Barry Tarlow to represent him, and Brooks retained attorney James Young. While awaiting trial, Nelson was detained with Brooks at the Pleasanton County Jail. Tarlow informed Nelson that he believed that he and Brooks had a viable entrapment defense and that, in any case, it was his general policy not to negotiate a plea agreement with the State at this stage in the proceedings. Young had agreed with Tarlow to coordinate a joint investigation. In so doing, Young often spoke to both Nelson and Brooks by telephone and in person during visits to Pleasanton. One day, Nelson and Brooks telephoned Young and expressed an interest in negotiating a plea agreement. Without informing Tarlow, Young twice traveled to Pleasanton in order to discuss negotiating a plea agreement with Nelson and Brooks. Nelson asked Brooks and Young not to reveal their discussions to Tarlow because he feared that, if Tarlow learned that he was involved in

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negotiating a plea agreement, Tarlow would withdraw as his counsel and thereby deprive him of his services in the event the case were to go to trial. Young contacted Deputy District Attorney Joan Lyons, who was prosecuting the case against Nelson and Brooks, on behalf of both men. Subsequently, along with Brooks and Young, Nelson met with Lyons twice in her office. Following the second meeting, Lyons sent Young a proposed plea agreement for Nelson and Brooks. After talking with Young, Nelson and Brooks rejected the proposal. Not long thereafter, Tarlow discovered what had transpired and filed a motion to dismiss the indictment. Tarlow alleged that Lyons violated the Sixth Amendment, which granted Nelson the right to Tarlow’s assistance, and also violated Columbia Rule of Professional Conduct 4.2, which prohibited her from communicating with Nelson without Tarlow’s consent. After a hearing, the Superior Court concluded that Lyons did not violate the Sixth Amendment, since Nelson was not deprived of Tarlow’s assistance. But it also concluded that she did indeed violate Rule 4.2. In the exercise of its supervisory powers, it dismissed the indictment against Nelson. The State appealed from the dismissal. The Court of Appeal, however, affirmed. The State petitioned for review. We granted review, and now affirm the Court of Appeal’s affirmance. DISCUSSION The State does not dispute that, if Lyons violated Rule 4.2, the Superior Court properly dismissed the indictment against Nelson in the exercise of its supervisory power. The State claims only that Lyons did not violate Rule 4.2.

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In support, the State argues that Rule 4.2 was not intended to apply to a prosecutor. It is too late in the day to present such an argument. Years ago, we held that a “prosecutor is no less subject to the Columbia Rules of Professional Conduct than any other lawyer.” State v. Mann (Columbia Supreme Ct., 1976). It is true that, depending on the circumstances, a prosecutor may or may not be prohibited from communicating with a defendant known to be represented by counsel, without counsel’s consent, before the defendant is indicted. Such circumstances include whether the prosecutor knows that the defendant has expressed a willingness to communicate, a fact that would militate in favor of communication, and whether the prosecutor knows that counsel has expressed an unwillingness to consent, a fact that would militate against communication. But it is also true that, in all circumstances, a prosecutor is prohibited from communicating with a defendant known to be represented by counsel, without counsel’s consent, after1 the defendant has been indicted. Indictment gives rise to a defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to rely upon counsel as a medium between him and the State. The defendant’s Sixth Amendment right would be meaningless if one of its critical components, a lawyer-client relationship characterized by trust and confidence, could be circumvented by a prosecutor under the guise of conducting an investigation. The State then argues that Rule 4.2 does not prohibit a prosecutor from communicating with a defendant known to be represented by counsel, without counsel’s consent, if the prosecutor is conducting an investigation. The State relies on Comment [8] to Rule 4.2, which states that “[t]he rule is not intended to preclude communications with represented persons in the course of … legitimate investigative activities as authorized by law.” We read Comment [8] to mean that a prosecutor is not prohibited from communicating with a represented defendant if and to the extent that the prosecutor is authorized by law to do so. In Columbia, however, a prosecutor is not authorized by law to communicate with a represented defendant where, as here, the defendant has been indicted.

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Finally, the State next argues that, even if Rule 4.2 prohibits a prosecutor from communicating with a defendant known to be represented by counsel without counsel’s consent, it prohibits a prosecutor only from speaking and not from listening. While certainly one purpose of Rule 4.2 is to prevent attorneys from utilizing their legal skills to gain an advantage over an unsophisticated lay person, an equally important purpose is to protect a person represented by counsel not only from the approaches of his or her adversary’s lawyer, but from the folly of his or her own well-meaning initiatives and the generally unfortunate consequences of his or her ignorance. CONCLUSION Because Lyons did indeed violate Rule 4.2, the Superior Court properly dismissed the indictment against Nelson in the exercise of its supervisory powers. And because the Superior Court properly dismissed the indictment against Nelson, the judgment of the Court of Appeal affirming the dismissal must be, and hereby is, AFFIRMED.

Before you write: issue outline

  1. Analyze October 3 and November 18 separately using the indictment date.
  2. Do not equate evidentiary admissibility, constitutional compliance, and ethical permission.
  3. Address both the disputed consultations and the objective limits of supervisor reliance.

To: Debra Uliana, Chief Deputy District Attorney
From: Applicant
Date: February 22, 2022
Re: Mark Price’s compliance with Rules 4.2 and 5.2

Conclusions

Price’s conduct on both dates presents Rule 4.2 violations, with the November 18 violation particularly clear under State v. Nelson. The October 3 contact preceded indictment and requires the more contextual inquiry Nelson identifies, but counsel’s express refusal to consent and the court’s constitutional ruling substantially defeat reliance on authorized investigative activity. Rule 5.2 offers, at most, a conditional October defense if Price proves an actual supervisory resolution of the arguable ethical question. The interview conflict and Sayed’s distinction between admissibility and ethics leave that defense unestablished. It cannot excuse the clearly prohibited post-indictment November contact.

Governing ethical duties

Rule 4.2(a) prohibits direct or indirect communication about the subject of representation with a person the lawyer knows is represented in that matter, unless the other lawyer consents. Comment [1] expressly applies the rule even when the represented person initiates or consents to communication. Comment [2] covers use of an intermediary, including an investigator. The lawyer cannot avoid the rule simply by assigning contact to police.

Rule 4.2(c)(2) permits communications authorized by law or court order. Comment [3] recognizes legitimate government investigative activities, but only within constitutional, statutory, rule, and case-law limits. Nelson rejects a general prosecutorial exemption and holds that a prosecutor cannot use an investigative label to circumvent the rule after indictment. It also rejects a speaking-only interpretation: listening can implicate the rule because it protects a represented person from his own uninformed initiatives as well as the opposing lawyer’s questioning.

Rule 5.2(a) requires a subordinate to comply despite another lawyer’s direction. Subdivision (b) protects acting in accordance with a supervisor’s reasonable resolution of an arguable professional-duty question. If only one answer is reasonable, both lawyers remain responsible. A subordinate therefore needs an actual supervisory resolution, a genuinely arguable question, an objectively reasonable answer, and conduct within that answer. General advice about whether a statement is admissible is not necessarily a resolution of Rule 4.2.

1. October 3: indirect pre-indictment contact

Representation, knowledge, and subject matter are established

Price appeared when Gardner was appointed on August 24, so he knew Howe was represented in the Wilson matter. On September 6, Gardner expressly declined consent to Price’s proposed interview unless complete immunity was offered; Price was unwilling to give it. That conditional response is not effective consent on the facts.

Howe then called Detective Daichi seeking to discuss the Wilson murder. After consultation, Price instructed her to listen without asking questions and report back. On October 3 she did exactly that. The case-related conversation therefore was not an independent police event unknown to Price: he prospectively directed the approach and received its fruits through his investigative intermediary. Under comment [2], he cannot rely merely on his absence from the call.

Howe initiated the call from home and volunteered statements, facts favoring a legitimate investigative explanation and potentially affecting constitutional or evidentiary analysis. They do not themselves override comment [1] or create counsel’s consent. In particular, limiting Daichi to listening does not categorically remove the contact from Rule 4.2 in light of Nelson’s stated protective purpose.

The authorized-by-law exception requires a contextual inquiry

The October 3 call preceded the October 19 indictment. Nelson says a prosecutor may or may not be prohibited from pre-indictment contacts depending on circumstances, specifically identifying the defendant’s willingness as favoring contact and counsel’s expressed unwillingness as weighing against it. Those factors point in opposite directions here. Unlike a blanket post-indictment prohibition, that framework makes the initial ethical question at least arguable.

The fact that Howe already had been arraigned and had counsel is important. Pre-indictment does not mean no criminal proceedings or no protected relationship existed. Price knew that appointed counsel refused precisely the proposed kind of case communication. Deliberately directing receipt of statements despite that refusal weighs heavily toward prohibited interference.

The task memorandum also states that the Superior Court found Price’s dealings on both dates violated Howe’s Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights. We should treat that determination as given rather than relitigate whether unsolicited statements ordinarily satisfy an admissibility rule. Because the investigative exception is limited by constitutional law, that ruling is a powerful independent reason these particular contacts cannot be defended as authorized-by-law investigation. No separate statute or affirmative court order authorized the October call. The better merits conclusion is a Rule 4.2 violation, while recognizing why a prospective pre-indictment analysis could have presented an arguable issue before that ruling.

Rule 5.2 depends on which account of the consultation is established

Price recalls Sayed advising not only that volunteered statements likely would be admissible but also that Rule 4.2 allowed investigative contact. Sayed agrees with the admissibility advice and listen-only instructions, but specifically denies discussing the no-contact rule. She explains that a nontrivial professional-conduct issue had to go to Compliance Officer Lamar Lewis; she did not make that referral because Price never raised it.

If Sayed’s account is correct, Price has not shown a supervisory resolution of the professional-duty question at all. He may have followed an investigative instruction, but Rule 5.2 does not automatically convert advice about suppressibility into permission under an independent ethics rule.

If Price’s account is credited, the court still must assess the content and reasonableness of the asserted resolution. A careful pre-indictment resolution based on Howe’s unsolicited initiative and listening-only contact has an argument under Nelson’s contextual language. But a categorical proposition that prosecutors may contact represented defendants whenever investigating ignores counsel’s refusal and the limits in Rule 4.2(c). That broader proposition is not automatically a reasonable resolution merely because a supervisor said it. Price also knew the actual conditions and must show that the advice addressed them.

The court’s later finding of constitutional misconduct does not by itself answer every question about the objective reasonableness of a supervisor’s earlier resolution of an arguable ethical issue. Rule 5.2 can protect a subordinate who actually follows a reasonable alternative even if another answer ultimately prevails. Here, however, the factual dispute and the broad wording Price recalls prevent us from treating that protection as established. Follow-up should determine exactly what was discussed, what facts Sayed knew, and whether any contemporaneous record or referral supports either account.

2. November 18: direct post-indictment contact

By November 18, Howe had been indicted for approximately a month and was in custody. Price knowingly accepted a collect call on his private line, invited Daichi to listen on an extension, and listened and took notes for about twenty minutes while Howe discussed the murder. Representation, knowledge, and subject matter again are indisputable, and there was no intervening consent from Gardner.

Nelson expressly prohibits nonconsensual prosecutorial communication with a represented defendant after indictment in all the circumstances addressed by its rule. A direct call initiated by Howe does not create an exception. Telling him he need not speak and that his lawyer would be unhappy did not obtain Gardner’s consent or restore counsel as the protected intermediary. Listening and note-taking are not an escape from the rule. The exception for lawful investigative activity cannot override Nelson’s specific post-indictment holding.

Price also cannot treat the judge’s October refusal to order Daichi not to speak as an affirmative authorization for this November contact. Declining a requested prohibition is not the same as a court order approving the later different communication, and the indictment materially changed the applicable analysis. The court’s constitutional determination provides an additional obstacle to an authorized-by-law defense.

Supervisor reliance does not excuse the November violation

Price vaguely recalls another consultation with advice similar to the earlier discussion. Sayed denies any second discussion before dismissal and says she would have referred so unusual a direct defendant-to-prosecutor call to Lewis. That conflict again requires factual resolution rather than automatic acceptance of either witness.

Even accepting Price’s version, Nelson leaves no reasonably arguable professional-duty alternative permitting this post-indictment contact without counsel’s consent. Advice broadly allowing investigative contacts would be contrary to a controlling decision. A reasonable pre-indictment instruction also would not automatically extend beyond indictment to a direct twenty-minute call with the prosecutor. Rule 5.2(a), rather than its limited safe harbor, governs. Price should have ended the case discussion and sought the required consent or proper guidance.

The judge’s decision not to refer the matter to the State Bar because it was a first offense is a decision about referral, not a determination that the conduct complied with Rule 4.2. Accordingly, November presents a clear violation without an available supervisor-reliance defense on the supplied law; October presents a strong violation with a narrower, fact-dependent Rule 5.2 issue that remains unproven.

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